It is possible to get pretty close to a 200 yard zero while using a rifle zeroing target at 50 yards. Left or right misses by 1/2 inch will impact a 200 yard target 2" off in the same direction. Gravity exerts more force on a heavier bullet and pulls it down faster. Which essentially means you zero at 50 yards and your bullet will hit the same point of aim at 200 yards. Add to all of this any cross winds and unless you really know what you are doing, you may as well be throwing rocks. Copyright © 1996-2020 AR15.COM LLC. a large deer kill zone is about a 12" max diamiter circle so a small amount of off zero will still harvest the deer. If you desire to sight in any rifle at 300 yards and you only have a 50 yard range you would simply look at the ballistic table for the type of ammo your shooting (I.E. This question perplexes those who are trying to establish an impact point at, say, a distance of twenty-five yards for a one-hundred yard zero. 1. In this chart I lowered the velocity to compensate for a 20 inch barrel instead of the 24 inch barrel listed: The lesson here is that if you need precision at medium distances or just want to hit a target at longer distances, you need to know exactly how your bullet will perform. “You can figure it in your head.” But if your zero is at 200-yards, 250-yards or 300-yards, and your target is at 725 yards? The weight of the bullet is another factor. The 300 yard zero would be very practical, however if you don't have a range to shoot the 300 yards to confirm the zero, I would not use that. ... For hunting guns I have been setting my zero stop at 100 yards and my actual turret zero at 200, ballistic calculators have the 200 yard zero. At 300 yards it will triple to ¾ inch (3x ¼ inch). At 300 yards it has dropped around 13 inches, and at 500 yards it’s just under 60 inches (5 feet). Law officer magazine did a nice write up on it and have a down load AR-15/M-16 Sight In Target for getting a 100 yard zero on a 25 yard range. Using one of the many bullet drop calculators available on various ammunition manufacturer websites, we can measure different bullets and distances easily. This chart shows the trajectory of the two common military 5.56 rounds. For those that have attended the courses now know that when it comes to your go-to 5.56 caliber carbine rifle that you would pick because it is best suited for all possible scenarios, the 36 yard zero seems to be the perfect fit. depends on how high over the bore your scope is. but i dont have any info for 50. whats the average impact at 50 with a 168gr 308 with a 100 yard zero is it high or low. At 1000 yards a .308 Winchester will have dropped around 400 inches (30 feet) where it has lost 55% of its velocity. zeroed a new hunting rifle at 100 yards and documented what i need to dial at 200 yards. That being said it does not utilize the potential available for that gun which I have taken game to 300 yards with setup differently. Finally you have to consider the initial velocity of the bullet. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. federal .308 168 GR Boat Tail) You would then go to federalpremium.com and look at where the 50 yard trajectory is when the zero is set to 300 yards. In the past I have always ran a 200 yard zero and now I am thinking a 100 yard might be better. It is important to realize that with a.308 rifle, 200-300 yards is a good shooting distance. At 400 yards it will be 1 inch (4 x ¼). With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4″ low at 50 yards and around 2.25″ low at 200 yards. Although it may seem like a pointless exercise, having a properly zeroed scope will be advantageous when you are actually hunting. Using 25 yards to obtain a 100 yard zero (rough zero) is a viable tool, we use it often and it is very simple. My notes have -0.56" at 50 yds with a 100 zero with 168 gr. So no dialing or hold over needed in that case, not even a thought required. The faster it starts the longer it stays airborne. In the recent carbine courses we have discussed various yard lines to zero your rifles along with the pros and cons of each yard line. Ironically heavier bullets also have more energy and at longer distances can actually drop less. The .308 Winchester round shoots pretty flat out to 200 yards when it starts to drop. How long your bullet stays in the air also depends on the shape. I will start with the assumption that everyone gets the concept of gravity. The simplest thing to do is to use one of the many ballistic calculators available online. dont have an opportunity to use private property as a range so im stuck to the local one which starts at 100 yards. The popular advice is to sight your .223 AR at 50 yards and you will be zeroed in at 200 yards as well. 1/4 inch left or right at 50 yards will give you 1 min of angle on a 100 yard target (= 1 " off) and be 2' off on the 200 yard target. What happens if you zero at 100 yards… The following example is a 40gn VMax with a muzzle velocity of 3500fps. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. If you zero that in at 50 yards, it will hit 4.2 inches low at 200 yards. Mar 6, 2013 ... the input data was just under 200 FPS slower than actuall chronoed data,the drop at 300 yards was 5 inch with a zero of 200 yard using a 50 gr pill,we also did the same with a 6.5x47 and a std 243. The longer the bullet is in the air, the further down it will travel as well. For example in this chart I lowered the velocity to compensate for a 16 inch barrel instead of the 24 inch barrel listed: At 500 yards you lose almost the entire height of a person and even at 200 yards the bullet is 3.2 inches below the point of aim. Forty years ago Uncle Sam handed me a M14, 7.62 NATO (.308 Win) and me to sight it in at 50 yards and I should be able to hit a man size target at 250 yards. It turns out that zeroing a .308 AR at 50 yards works just as well. California: where Illegal Aliens and Pot are protected, but AR15's and Standard Cap Mags will get you arrested. Like it so far. Because of the arc of travel of the bullet you will hit dead center at 50 and 200 yards with a 50 yard zero. In fact the bullet drop and performance is about the same as for the .223 round fired from a carbine, but of course the .308 has a lot more energy. Result for 200 Yds +2.7” Zero -8.71” -24.2" -47.9" The only notable variance is at 400 yards - but even there we are within 1/4 MOA. TABLE TWO In fact the bullet drop and performance is about the same as for the .223 round fired from a carbine, but of course the .308 has a lot more energy. I shoot 168 grain SMK's 90% of the time through .308. Close enough that it won't matter for hunting. The following is a 1000 yard .308 ballistic chart that was created using our free online ballistic calculator and details all aspects of the bullets trajectory from the millisecond it leaves the barrel until the time it reaches the 1,000 yd mark. At 1,000 yards, that translates to 10-inch or 10 MOA groups. Download these targets to assist in your pistol training. Using standard military FMJ 150 grain ammo from a 20 inch barrel rifle you only drop 4.3 inches at 200 yards. Real snipers also have to consider elevation, angle, wind speed and wind direction, humidity and temperature. At 300 yards the slug is still lethal and penetrates ¾ inch plywood. My come ups are 3.5 moa to get centered at 300 yards, another 12 to 12.5 moa to be centered at 600. if you zero at 200 yards you'll never be over or under 3" high or low all the way to around 230 yards. Different shaped bullets will have different levels of drag and some will fly longer and straighter than others. SMK bullets.Â, Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician. We also provide adjusted range versions for those who only have access to a short range (25 yards), but want a 50/200 or 100 yard zero. bullet, when zeroed at 26 yards, angles above the line-of-sight 2.81 inches at 200 yards, crosses the line of sight (zero) again at approximately 275 yards, before falling beyond 3 inches low at 310 yards. We offer pistol fundamental targets and zero targets for those running red dot optics on their pistols. So at 100 yards, it will strike above your 50/200 zero but only 3 to 4 inches above, and at 250 yards again, it will only strike 3 to 4 inches below your point of aim. This load at 1,000 yards drops 480.2 inches (five feet less than the .223 above). Then 4.7" low at 300 yards. It turns out that zeroing a .308 AR at 50 yards works just as well. 200 yards zero you will be 1 inch high at 100.around 5 inch down at 300, Claret_Dabbler Well-Known Member. VIEW ALL VERSIONS. I shoot a 168g .308, zero'd @ 100y, and at 50y my drop adjustment is 1.0 MOA or 0.3 MIL....or in other words, 100y zero will impact half an inch low at 50y. At 500 yards you hit 72.2 inches (6 feet) low and at 1,000 yards it is 549.3 inches low or more than 45 feet. 25 Yard Zero – I don’t care at all for sighting in at 25 yards. At short distances the bullet will impact below your point of aim then travel upwards and intersect the point of aim at the distance where you sighted in then start to drop. For the 129g SST in the same rifle 1 inch high gives me apx 170 yard zero and apx 1 -1.5 inches low at 200 yards. And with this 50/200 zero when you aim dead center on a target, from the muzzle to 250 yards or so your bullet will only be “off” either high or low about 2 inches. When zeroed at 25 yards the round will also be zeroed at 300 yards. Zeroing at 100 yards results in the bullet trajectory never going higher than the line of sight of your scope and at 200 yards, the bullet will be 2.28 inches low. Then you can make yourself a cheat sheet with distances and bullet drops that you can quickly reference. Barrel length is another factor that affects velocity. These calculators are also available as apps for smart phones: http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator, http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistics-calculator/Pages/ballistics-calculator-silverlight.aspx. If you are a tactical shooter and just looking to hit a man-sized silhouette at intermediate ranges (out to 300 yards) your worries are minimal. zeroed a new hunting rifle at 100 yards and documented what i need to dial at 200 yards. On a .223 AR you lose about 50 FPS for every inch of barrel you take off. Because these will be the first shots since the riflescope has been mounted, it’s best to … 100 Yard Zero – Not a bad option at all. Jan 14, 2018 #10 R. Rich Coyle Well-Known Member. Now you must do some fancy calculating. Start Close. That is actually not correct. A 50 yard zero is 1/2 inch high at a 100 yards and returns to zero at 150. But, what happens at distances less than one-hundred yards? I use,believe in and teach a 50 yard zero for carbines for a reason. Past that it starts to matter, and it matters a lot if you are a hunter or otherwise need to make a precision shot. For the rest of us just sight your AR in at 50 yards and leave it alone. The 50/200 Zero is highly precise at 50 to 200 yards. Dead on at 100 Yards. The 36 Yard Zero Target. If so I only want to bring it to the left to compensate for the inch off to the right. Set targets out to 200 yards Now, move the paper targets to 200 yards and repeat the whole process. Knowing your distance and bullet performance for your specific load will allow you to make the needed changes on your scope or simply to hold over. but i dont have any info for 50. whats the average impact at 50 with a 168gr 308 with a 100 yard zero is it high or low. The shorter the barrel the less velocity you get. Pick a rifle and pick a load, and stick with it. I zero every high power rifle I own for 200 yards and work off that zero. In shooting, the second the bullet exits the barrel gravity takes hold and starts to pull the bullet down towards the ground. As such, I think many folks who hold the 50/200 yard zero with high regard and believe the 50 yard and 200 yard zeros will always line up end up using a 50 yard zero and assume the 200 yard zero will line up. With a 50/200 MPBR zero, there is only a 3 to 4-inch difference in point of aim and point of impact from 50 yards to 250 yards. The science is real yo! The ballistics are flat for around 200 yards and at the 300-yard mark the slug has dropped 4 feet. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Later he handed me a M16 (.223) and me to sight it in at 25 meters and I should be able to hit a man size target at 250 meters. The fun is all over folks. It helps if you can chronograph your load so you know exactly what your average velocity is for your ammo and your rifle. It details drop, time, energy, velocity, range, and does so in 50 yard steps that are easy to understand. Your bullet will be zero ar 25 yrds, then 2.7" high at 100 yards, 2.95" high at 150 yards, and 1.88" high at 200 yards, coming through zero once again at 245 yards. It will then double at 200 yards to ½ inch (2x ¼). The absolute maximum it can travel is probably around 1200 yards. On any rifle the sights are some distance above the bore line which has a slight upward angle (the height of the sights is another factor to consider). All Rights Reserved. Thumb image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons. Jeff Cooper. 200-Yard Zero This is my preferred zero for most big-game hunting in places with a variety of terrain and cover. This energy has the advantage at longer distances and the .308 doesn’t drop as far as the .223 past 500 yards. To keep things simple lets stick with standard 55 and 62 grain FMJ military loads. “With a 100-yard zero, there’s just that easy one-to-one correspondence,” says Vaughn. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Joined Aug 14, 2013 Messages 4,320 no more politics. Long Gun Zero - Tactics and Weapons - … With the gun zeroed to impact a 200-yard target dead center, the same .30-06 will be 1.72 inches high at 100 yards and 7.66 inches low at 300 yards. The situation is worse for a 62 grain .223 FMJ bullet since the higher weight also reduces muzzle velocity to around 2,700 FPS. Using standard military FMJ 150 grain ammo from a 20 inch barrel rifle you only drop 4.3 inches at 200 yards. Gravity is not the only thing acting on your bullet however, there is also the air. it's gonna be low.  somewhere between your sight height over bore and zero, Go to your app store and download sniper calculator, it works quite well for dialing in shots, seeing poi, and getting first shot hits, Active Shooter...yeah, I'm taking it back. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 308 impact at 50 yards with 100 yard zero. Scenario #2: With a different ammo --- Federal 150 Grain Nosler Partition, coming out of the muzzle at 2840 fps, then the following: dont have an opportunity to use private property as a range so im stuck to the local one which starts at 100 yards. To test this, look at Tables Three and Four, where we again use Blatt's data for this same Federal Supreme round, this time converting the trajectory from a 100-yard zero to a 500-yard zero. It works. This is why when you are shooting at various distances it is important to know the distance and know how far your bullet will drop so that you can compensate. If you don’t then have a friend throw apples at your head until you do. [Last Edit: 4/30/2017 5:46:57 PM EST by 50-140], [Last Edit: 4/30/2017 5:45:13 PM EST by mimikamimi], [Last Edit: 4/30/2017 5:56:49 PM EST by Hollywood_Shooter]. 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