The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .22 Hornet vs .22 LR Long Rifle ammo rounds. 22 Hornet drops 5.8" and is blown off target by 7" in a meagre 5 MPH cross wind The 17 Hornet - drops only 2" and drifts 2.8" in comparison. 29 Aug 2013 #1. The 17 HMR is a very popular round, available from multiple manufacturers — CCI, Hornady, and now Norma. I did a quick look with google and the .22 Hornet is far superior. Generally speaking, the higher the muzzle energy, the higher the stopping power. We have only had 3 or 4 boxes of ammo in so far. With that, oftentimes, the subject matter turns to coyotes and there's a clear winner in my eyes between these two calibers. 22WMR launches a 40 gr at 2,100 fps, 22 Hornet launches a 40 gr at about 2,300 fps, I'm a .17 dissenter. The .22 Mag(Starts at around $11.99 per 50.) With lighter, faster projectiles, .17-caliber rimfires such as the .17 WSM and .17 HMR offer some advantages over more established rimfires like the .22 Long Rifle. Rimfire Showdown: .22 WMR vs. .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM A hardcore ballistic shootout with three of the best rimfires of all time. I've stated in this thread that I don't need one but y'all keep on justifying why I should get one. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. Nothing against magnum, it's a lot more gun than 22lr. I have not used the 17 caliber rifles. The .22 Hornet has a MPBR of less than 200 yards. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. Occasionally I have failure to feeds. An accurate .17 WSM is a good choice too, but still not anything like a .17 Hornet for longer shots. I prefer the 22MAG over the 17 HMR. That was the gun his dad designated for him. If you don't reload, go with the .22mag. Chambered with Clark’s unique match reamer; Head space is adjusted..22 LR, 17 HMR and .22 Magnum & .22 Hornet standard barrel length is 21.5″. Both the .17 HMR and .22 WMR are well-suited. If you don't, the rimfire .17 WSM will be a lot cheaper to shoot. If you reload, the Hornet is the way to go. The >17 is usually loaded with a .17 gr bullet. The Fireball is by far the most fun to hunt with for groundhogs, fox, and coyote. The slight five-degree shoulder of the .22 Hornet was radically steepened to a 25-degree shoulder and blown-out to increase case capacity. And the widest part of the case (the rim), the Hornet is 0.056" larger in diameter than the WMR. While the .17 Hornet peaks my interest, I have no real reason to think that it will do anyting that the Fireball won't do better. Lighter, faster bullets stay in the air for a shorter period of time and therefore fall less, but for the 22WMR that sweet spot falls on the 30-40 grain bullets. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. Handloaders would see no benefit on cost vs. the 22 Hornet. .17 Winchester Super Magnum, is a rimfire rifle cartridge developed by the ammunition company Winchester in 2012. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particula Looks like 35-55 for the Hornet. 17 Hornet vs. 22 Hornet. Today we will be discussing the advantages and disadvantages of 17 HMR vs 22 LR. If you reload it's crazy cheap to shoot. OUT OF STOCK (32) Savage BMAG Stainless TH .17 WSM. Massively better performance. Most rimfire rifle builders chamber for both. I don't think I ever bought a box of factory. There is a short history of the .17 WSM because it has only been in production for less than a decade. But as far as consistency, looks, features, quality for the money, I really like CZ rifles. Saying that, I'm still glad I bought it. The ammo is selling for 17.99 for the 25 grain bullet. The.17 WSM case is considerably larger than that of the.17 HMR or.22 WMR and holds more powder. Für mich stehen zwei kaliber zur Wahl 17 Hornet und 22 Hornet. Personally, I'm skeptical of both of them for anything larger than a fox. I now need something with a bit more range/energy than a .17 HMR or .22 Mag., but “quieter” than my .22 Hornet (for groundhogs but maybe the occasional ‘yote.) You can also fit more .22 WMR in your pocket than .22 Hornet. There are three readily-available 17-caliber rimfire rounds now on the market: 17 HMR, 17 WSM, and 17 Mach 2(aka 17 HM2). As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. Besides , the 17hmr is better than a 22 mag is allready, so get the hornet and make it a … There are three readily-available 17-caliber rimfire rounds now on the market: 17 HMR, 17 WSM, and 17 Mach 2(aka 17 HM2). The .223 is marginal for coyotes, and it packs more punch than the .17s. With decent bullets it should kill much more effectively than a .17. https://www.petersenshunting.com/editorial/best-rimfire-cartridge-now/272837 Aguila also made a .17 rimfire, the .17 PMC/Aguila, but it never became popular. Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum and .22 Hornet ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. I've even messed around with putting my 338 can on my 17 WSM. legitimate 250 yd shots with a hornet is do-able, and will hit with much more energy than a 22 mag. Ammo isn't terribly expensive. 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire or just 17 HMR is a rifle cartridge created by Hornady in 2002. However, my picks would be if buying today: I'd skip the .17, it's strictly for varmints and isn't good for a "walkabout" rifle IMO. Using its superior velocity, the .17 can and will knock down any coyote within 150 yards as long as you hit your mark. The easy rimfire is the HMR, partly because ammo is so available, and partly because the A17 ammo in a bolt rifle comes pretty close to .17 WSM ballistics. That hasn't always been the case. The .17 HMR loadings and/or rifles appear to be more consistently accurate. The Hornet load, when zeroed at 200 yards, drops 17.1 inches at 300 yards. Meat spray for varminting … But! Bull barrel and replaced the flimsy polymer stock with the Boyds certainly adds heft, but she sure is sweet to shoot. What should be your choice? Minuteman . But until this year, the rimfire market has been stagnant. Easily puts 5 rounds in a nickel at 100 yds using American Eagle 20 grn polymer tip. Always heard these weren’t very accurate, but just read a test of the newer Savage Varmint model (Boyd’s laminated stock) and it was getting very decent groups (@ 50 yards.) Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter 17 Hornet im Test bei GearTester.de Büchse mit Synthetikschaft für das Raubwild und Krähen Kaliber .17 Hornet This email contact address is not an "Ask the Firearms Expert" service. Accurate at 100 yds beyond description. Sep 27, 2020 #2 I have all 3, best option is the 17 hmr for my needs. When the V-Max.22 Mag load is zeroed at 100 yards it drops almost that same amount at just 200 yards. For Doves and Francolin you'll need to watch your shot placement with either..... For the bigger animals it should … Released in 2012 by Winchesterand put into production in 2013, it is still available in a limited number of firearms, with the most widely distributed being produced by Savage Arms and Ruger. Hier kommt unter anderem das Kaliber .17 ins Spiel: Bishr lediglich .17 HMR, nun auch zunehmend .17 WSM. It's new cartridge is the .17 Winchester Super Magnum or WSM. One of my CZs is 22 Hornet. The .223 is marginal for coyotes, and it packs more punch than the .17s. You can get .223 ammo everywhere and once fired brass is about free if you buy it, or totally free at a lot of ranges where no one wants to pick it up. I agree, and have a contradictory perspective: The .22 Mag(Starts at around $11.99 per 50.) Initial loadings were with a 20-grain bullet, delivering muzzle velocities around 3,000 ft/s . I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. Than the 22 MAG or the 17 HMR. It gained widespread acceptance and the current catalogue offers nine models of the 77 marque in five calibres - .17WSM, .17 Hornet, .22 Hornet, .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 WMR Winchester Magnum Rimfire ammo rounds. Winchester (Olin) used their.27" industrial blank case designed to drive concrete nails as the basis of the.17 WSM cartridge. I have used the 22 mag a bit. Just a thought. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. If you have a firearm related question, please register and post it on the forums. Really?? Shooters who enjoy a traditional semi-auto rifle chambered in .17 WSM should check out the Volquartsen series rifles. Learned from above post ,factory ammo price. 17 HMR was made by reducing .22 Magnum case in order to accept .17 caliber bullet. It just depends on how much of your money you're ok with leaving on the ground as you walk away. Hornet rounds aren't THAT much fatter or longer than .22WMR. 3) The 22 Hornet is extremely cheap the load for. If you are a TFL member and can access TFL, please do not use this link; instead, use the forums (like Questions, Suggestions, and Tech Support) or PM an appropriate mod or admin. It gained widespread acceptance and the current catalogue offers nine models of the 77 marque in five calibres - .17WSM, .17 Hornet, .22 Hornet, .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. You'll be surprised at the long-range killing power of this little thumper, and you'll save a few bucks in the process. Its very gritty, like it needs polished or that machine marks are grinding against one another. Being a reloader I am a huge fan of 22 Hornet. re: .17 WSM vs. .223/5.56 Posted by El Josey Wales on 8/10/13 at 1:22 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt Damn y'all. I got it cheap, years ago. Man, things hit with my .17HMR just blow the heck up when hit with the 17. Both the .17 HMR and .22 WMR are well-suited. It sticks about half way back and is not smooth at all. Thanks Wotkyns both of whom were working with Springfield Armory during the Roaring Twenties helped finalize the centerfire cartridge's design and chambered it in converted M1922 Springfield rifles, but it was Winchester that first legitimized the cartridge for the commercial market in 1930. www.outdoorlife.com J. justin amateur Sergeant. The .22 Magnum is a very good cartridge IMO and the 30 grain poly tip loads give increased velocity for a slightly flatter trajectory, which will give you a little more usable range on smaller critters. and .17 WSM($17.99 per 50. FWIW, there is now a 17Hornet which is a pretty neat centerfire. Interestingly, the impact energy also favours the 17 cal The 17 cal delivers 290 FPE compared to the 22 Hornets - 196 FPE Why? Hornet would be my choice since I load. What about a .223Rem? I shoot my Bmag 17 WSM and CZ 527 17 Hornets suppressed nearly 100% of the time, they're both crazy quiet and are a lot of fun to shoot suppressed. The rotary magazine Ruger 77 series of rifles began in 1983 with the 77/22, an adult-sized .22 rimfire designed to have the same heft and feel as a centrefire. All current production rimfire and hornet rifles are threaded receivers. Of course that’s a clever play on their centerfire WSM or Winchester Short Magnum trademark. and .17 WSM($17.99 per 50. If You reload the CZ 527 22 Hornet ((( IMHO ))) is the best small varmint rifle you can buy. My 22 Hornet feels like a rifle-rifle, and my rimfires are my rimfires. The rifle has a too light plastic stock and has a terrible bolt. Speed kills, and the .17 WSM slaughters the .22 WMR in velocity, trajectory, wind drift, and retained energy. P.O. The Hornet will have about the same velocity with double the bullet weight. I always smile sitting behind it! Might be. Apr 21, 2012 1,399 850 65. The .17 WSM case is considerably larger than that of the .17 HMR or .22 WMR and holds more powder. Gulfcowboy: I own CZ Bolt Guns in both 22 MAG & 17 HMR. Die 17 WSM ist in dem Riesenmarkt USA gut etabliert und zunehmend Favorit der “Varmint”-Jäger, damit dürfte die Versorgung an Munition kein Problem sein. And I have some accurate rifles in all 3 calibers. For more detailed ballistics information please refer to the exact round in question or contact the manufacturer for the pertinent information. As illustrated in the chart, .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3000 feet per second (fps) while .22 Hornet rounds travel at a velocity of 2720 fps. We didn't do 22mgs in my family because we could load Hornet cheaper. The .17 WSM is not as solidly established but, based on potential, certainly should be. We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. You guys are the best. When comparing the Hornady 30-grain.22 WMR V-Max load with the brand's 35-grain V-Max.22 Hornet load from rifles with equal-length barrels, the results are telling. I have a Savage in .17 WSM. Give me some input on both rifles. The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can b… This little rimfire is treading on the heels of centerfire varmint rounds like the .22 Hornet. Older .22 LR, .17 HMR and .22 Magnum receivers are fitted with a factory V-Block. The decision for which round is better for a given application should be made with complete information, and this article simply serves as a comparative guide, not the final say. For a 'walkabout' rifle, it's a consideration. I suppose Winchester was feeling left out. Not very much I'd think. Ammo costs per box of 50 run $12 to $13 for 17 HMR, about $1 less for .22 WMR, and $2 to $3 more for .17 WSM. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. 17 vs .22-250 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I am buying a new varmint gun to shoot pd's and coyotes. I'm a .17 dissenter. Friend has a coule Hornet's years ago that we shot cast in. The .22 WMR—commonly referred to as the .22 Mag—I feel is better suited for coyotes when compared to the .17 HMR. I only own is the .22 WMR Savage 93 out of all the cartridges being discussed. G.L. I prefer the .17HMR in my rifle. OUT OF STOCK (17) Savage BMAG .17 WSM STAINLESS. The .22 Hornet traces its lineage back to the .22 WCF. What should be your choice? It is currently Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:05 am | Last visit was: Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:05 am All times are UTC One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. Most of the 17 HMR’s can stay within that 3″ gopher pocket all the way out to 165 yards, with very little difference in trajectory between loadings. Januar 2012 #1; Hallo, kann mir jemand die Unterschiede der Kaliber 17 HMR, 22 WinMag und 22 Hornet kurz erläutern ? The 17 HMR is a very popular round, available from multiple manufacturers — CCI, Hornady, and now Norma. Themenstarter Titus2012; Beginndatum 29 Aug 2013; T. Titus2012. It was a toss up between the barrel for the already owned TC, or getting a CZ527 M1 with a synthetic stock, or a Savage bolt gun. 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